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Best way to collect logs from Checkpoint and Blue Coat Proxies?

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What is the best way to collect logs from the devices that I can't install Universal Forwarders on? Should I use the available apps like the ones for Checkpoint and Blue Coat? Would I even need these apps? Or should I just import the logs directly to a heavy forwarder? These are the questions I have: Do I need an app for a specific device if UF is not available to be installed on that device? Do I need to install heavy forwarders for these types of logs?

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